Sunday, July 31, 2005

All, or just him and his gang?

Gosh, I'm known to be a person who talks a lot! Never shuts up!.....

I have been into a discussion with a sophisticated Iraqi guy, who does not believe in the existence of God, and believes that religions are hoaxes! Man, I got nothing else to say...I ran out of words! we both seem to be going in a circle!

The topic of discussion is "Noah's ark"...He is arguing that the story is originated from a Sumerian Myth and it was then copied into the Torah and later on, the Quran! However, Myth is not a true story but more of a simple human explanation of existence with no real background!....while I define myth as a simple human explanation of a natural phenomenon that occurred in the past where no science existed!

He's working on proving, theorically, that Quran is summering the Torah story. His approach is built on this argument. Why? cuz the Torah story tells of a huge flood that wiped the whole earth! Scientifically, this is wrong! My approach is that the Quran version of this story does not indicate the whole earth thing. It simply tells of a flood that drowned the Folks of Noah regardless of other humans that could be living somewhere else! This, does not contradict any scientific discovery in regard to this great flood that occurred likely in 4000 BC!

A misconception, I have sensed during discussing this story with Moslems and Christians, is that they believe the Torah story about drowning the whole EARTH! They also think that he took on board a couple of ALL animals as an indication of the massiveness of this flood! My argument here is that he took animals with him in order to insure his survival after the flood....not the survival of their species! He would need milk and meat as well as to grow corpses, so they can feed!

Which one has more sense? SENSE is my background, nothing more!

We have been discussing it for like a couple of weeks! Non of us seem to withdraw their point of view....for one simple reason! Non of what we say can be proved! It's all theories! and most important, it's all up to what we believe in and how we believe in it!



Tolerant Damascene said...

Your friend is right that it is actually a myth from the Sumerians or Babylonians.

If you actually read the myths of the ancient civilizations, you'll find MANY of them very familiar.

Sometimes the old stories are copy/pasted into the "newer" holy books.

I believe that all these stories are parables or metaphors that have lessons in them. They could have happened in a very minimal scale, but then people made them sound much more profound and gigantic so they could blend in a message or a lesson about the higher power/gods/goddesses/God...etc

I don't think that the accuracy of these stories should effect anybody's faith or believe in God.
The lesson is there whether it's real or not. It's up to each individual to pay attention and understand the purpose of it or not.

Ihsan said...

The original is a Sumerian myth, cuz it was first to exist, or first to write (Sumerian writing was the first to be invented)..

Actually, I have the read the Sumerian, Babylians, the Torah and the Quranic stories, indeed the main context goes in one direction in all of them and the wisdome is somehow similar, however, the fact they are all narrating the same story does not make it "a Sumerian invention" or "Sumerian imagination" simply occurred at the area where they existed, and they existed before the other nation did!

As for your last assertion, I think it does affect, as if you bring someone who believes in Quran and tell him that the stories of Quran are a human fabrications, which will remove the sacredness of the Quran and turns it into a book of wisdom and adventures....... What do u think the reaction would be?

As long as the Quranic version does not contradict any science or proved facts, I don't think we can refuse it by showing that another narrators of this story have flaws in their versions!

Thanx for your comment.